between things. i remember leon russell used to sing that song, "i love you in a place where there's no space and time. i love you forever, you're fend of mine." a place where there's no space and time. that makes sense? how can there be no space. how about the speed of light frame of reference. from a speed of light frame of reference, what's the length between one edge of the universe and the other... when v is c? zero. from a speed-of-light frame a reference, there is no distance at all between the one side of the universe and the opposite. and from a speed-of-light frame of reference, how does the duration of time travel? it's frozen: no time, no space. did you ever hear the buddhist type say everything, the universe, really, is just a point in space. you say, gibberish. gibberish? maybe from one frame of reference, that's true. think about that.